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Offline auntbeepbeep

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2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« on: April 10, 2011, 04:54:43 PM »
Ok.  I am trying to cut a car outline along with some text.  I created it in Inkscape.  When I brought it into SCAL to cut, not only do I not have a car 'outline' but rather a 'shadow' I also had a triangle shape also cut into my design (which I did not want).
The first issue is what I would like to actually cut, the thickness (red line) of the car outline, so that it will be an actual outline.  
The second issue is what cuts, the triangle (lighter shade of red inside the car) that cuts into the design which I do not want.  Is it because the car outline is not connected completely?


I am looking for instructions on how to do what I need as well as pointers as to what I have done incorrectly.  My skin is thick, so I won't be mad if you kindly point out that I am a dork.   ;)
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 05:04:28 PM »
Hi Auntbeepbeep

I was always under the impression that SCAL users cut their SVG files by the fill colour of the design, whereas Craftrobo/Silhouette users can only cut an SVG design if it has a coloured outline around the design...So shouldn't that car be filled in as a Red solid object, is the lettering to be cut seperately or as part of the design?????

I may have to go and disturb some of the Cricut gals for some assistance........ :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 05:06:59 PM »
Hi, if you will post the .svg file I can look at it and try it in SCAL.  BTW which version of Ink and which version of SCAL are you using?  It helps a bit to know.

thanks.
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 05:08:41 PM »
Flippin heck Papasue, I just left you a message to offer assistance; you gals are just too fast for me.....Thanks.....
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 05:14:22 PM »
How do I look to see what versions I am using?

Hubster helped me out on this one:

Inkscape is 0.47
SCAl is 1.016

Yes, I haven't updated anything since I got it.   :lol:
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 05:16:42 PM »
Here is the file I tried to cut.  I hope that helps.
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 05:22:14 PM »
Quote from: "Angel13"
Hi Auntbeepbeep

I was always under the impression that SCAL users cut their SVG files by the fill colour of the design, whereas Craftrobo/Silhouette users can only cut an SVG design if it has a coloured outline around the design...So shouldn't that car be filled in as a Red solid object, is the lettering to be cut seperately or as part of the design?????

I may have to go and disturb some of the Cricut gals for some assistance........ :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would like to have the lettering as part of the design, but I can't 'combine' them, per say.  Also, I don't want the entire car (i.e. whole car in red) to cut...just a thick line outline.  Does that makes sense?  Sometimes I have difficulty explaining things.
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2011, 05:35:46 PM »
Auntbeepbeep take no notice of me, I know nothing about the SCAL software apart from the fact that you can use SVG files, so I'm learning as well.....Don't stay up too late its 00:34am Monday morning here in the UK; so I need to get some shut eye for my part time job later on today.........So see you later.......
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2011, 06:05:54 PM »
Hi, I hope I can help you.

I downloaded your svg file and saw that you had "groups" so I ungrouped and did a drag and saw that there was this weird looking car on top of the design.  I doubt that you want it, but maybe.

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I'm guessing that you want that upper file that is "broken" to be the mat that holds the car and the text together since without a mat it will not hold together as a cut since the text and the car do not touch.

I need more input as to what you want to happen when you cut.  Also, I'm concerned that the font is not going to cut unless you are cutting in a larger size, and all the letters are going to be separated and cut one by one.

Let's keep talking and we will get it done one way or another.

Welcome to the forum BTW.  I saw NC and SC and thought Northern California and Southern California for a second... :P
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2011, 06:27:06 PM »
Quote from: "PapaSue"
Hi, I hope I can help you.

I downloaded your svg file and saw that you had "groups" so I ungrouped and did a drag and saw that there was this weird looking car on top of the design.  I doubt that you want it, but maybe.
[attachment=0:2mrio7d5][/attachment]Screen shot 2011-04-10 at 4.24.23 PM.png[/attachment:2mrio7d5]

I'm guessing that you want that upper file that is "broken" to be the mat that holds the car and the text together since without a mat it will not hold together as a cut since the text and the car do not touch.

I need more input as to what you want to happen when you cut.  Also, I'm concerned that the font is not going to cut unless you are cutting in a larger size, and all the letters are going to be separated and cut one by one.

Let's keep talking and we will get it done one way or another.

Welcome to the forum BTW.  I saw NC and SC and thought Northern California and Southern California for a second... :P

The letters touching each other are not an issue for me right now, for the design is for a Tshirt via freezer paper/fabric paints.  Basically, I am making a stencil.
What do you mean by 'mat'?  I thought I had ungrouped everything, but obviously I was mistaken.  I would like to attach the letters to the car frame, but am sure how to do that so I left them just sitting there.  I have cut the font several times so far, in different designs, and it cuts well for me.  

What do you mean by weird looking car on top of the design?  It may have been something I did inadvertently.  

I have included a link that may give you an idea of what I am trying to achieve by 'outline'.  I need to cut the line out so that I can use the fabric paint to create the outline on the shirt.

http://http://www.zazzle.com/iboost_3000gt_hoodie_tshirt-235623101889375526

I hope I have answered your questions in the way you needed them to be.  Please let me know if I can clarify more.

Thanks so much for even taking the time to try to help me.  I have wanted to learn how to do things for so long, but mostly on the SCAL forums folks are nice enough to just make what you want instead of explaining it.  That's why I am so happy to have found this forum.
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2011, 07:42:44 PM »
Angel is right, both versions of SCAL will only cut the  Path, not the stroke.  Also, there are two things that won't work in SCAL1 that will work in SCAL2:

1.  SCAL1 does not like Group.  It will do all sorts of unpredictable things if you have any Grouped objects.
2.  SCAL1 can't cut open Paths.  It will close any open Paths by connecting the end nodes.

You have all sorts of stacked objects in your car shape.  I ungrouped them, then deleted everything except for one of the car shapes.  Next, you need to select your car, and if you are happy with the thickness of the line around it, use Path/Stroke to Path.  I also adjusted your font a tiny little bit to make it so that it might work better for you.  You might want to play with nodes or Path/Outset or Path/Dynamic offset to make it a little heavier.  HTH
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2011, 07:51:27 PM »
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Angel is right, both versions of SCAL will only cut the  Path, not the stroke.  Also, there are two things that won't work in SCAL1 that will work in SCAL2:

1.  SCAL1 does not like Group.  It will do all sorts of unpredictable things if you have any Grouped objects.
2.  SCAL1 can't cut open Paths.  It will close any open Paths by connecting the end nodes.

You have all sorts of stacked objects in your car shape.  I ungrouped them, then deleted everything except for one of the car shapes.  Next, you need to select your car, and if you are happy with the thickness of the line around it, use Path/Stroke to Path.  I also adjusted your font a tiny little bit to make it so that it might work better for you.  You might want to play with nodes or Path/Outset or Path/Dynamic offset to make it a little heavier.  HTH

Hey, Heather!  It's nice to see a familiar name here!  
What do you mean by stacked objects?  How did you detect those?

I had read about the 'grouping' in SCAL1 and as I said earlier, thought I had ungrouped everything.  Does 'grouping' and using Path to 'combine' mean the same thing?

Thanks!
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2011, 08:35:14 PM »
No, Combine is a Path operation and can only be done on text, shapes, or ungrouped Paths (it will convert the text or shapes to Path).  Group is in the Object menu and can be done with anything (It won't change the type of the original:  text will remain as a font, shapes are still editable with the shape tools).  

If you maximize your Inkscape window so that you can see the bar at the bottom, it will tell you what you have selected.  When I select everything in your original file, that message bar tells me that I have 2 objects of type Group (one was a Group of 0 objects).  After I ungroup I have 3 objects of type Path,Group.  One is your text, one is what is likely your original car, and one is the group of cars with the inverted V.  In this case, you can just delete the group of cars and that will leave you with the original car and the text.
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2011, 08:41:31 PM »
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No, Combine is a Path operation and can only be done on text, shapes, or ungrouped Paths (it will convert the text or shapes to Path).  Group is in the Object menu and can be done with anything (It won't change the type of the original:  text will remain as a font, shapes are still editable with the shape tools).  

If you maximize your Inkscape window so that you can see the bar at the bottom, it will tell you what you have selected.  When I select everything in your original file, that message bar tells me that I have 2 objects of type Group (one was a Group of 0 objects).  After I ungroup I have 3 objects of type Path,Group.  One is your text, one is what is likely your original car, and one is the group of cars with the inverted V.  In this case, you can just delete the group of cars and that will leave you with the original car and the text.

I had always thought that, regarding the text at the bottom, when it said Group of 0 objects, that I had ungrouped everything.   :x   After this, I am going to go watch all the basic videos on Inkscape.  It seems that what I think I had learned or taught myself over the last 2 years is all wrong.

Thanks, ladies.  I am going to play with the information you have provided, to see if I can get it myself as well as go and watch the noob videos.  I appreciate all the help.
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2011, 07:27:36 PM »
Ok.  I have spent the day reading the "Inkscape" manual and reading some tutorials.  I am starting another design, similar to this one but with another car, from scratch to see if what I have read turned into what I have learned.   ;)

Here is the shirt I made with last night's file.  Nothing spectacular, but my hubby and I own a car business and I am always looking for fun designs for t-shirts for our car community.

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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2011, 09:15:21 PM »
Looking good. It is always so rewarding to see a design you created yourself.
I am sure you will be fine with your next design but give a holler if you need any help.
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2011, 09:35:58 PM »
Happy 4 U.. shirt looks great!
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2011, 08:22:55 PM »
Okay----here is my new file!!  I did it from scratch and I'm so stoked.  I DID learn something!!

Now, my only question is that now it's finished...how do I go back in and thicken my car line?  I thought I had it were I wanted it, but it's still a little flimsy.

Thank you ladies ever so much!!  I feel so proud of myself for having gotten it right.

Also, I watched the rhinestone/Inkscape video on youtube and it's so much easier than I thought it would be.  I can't wait to cut a design with it!!!  http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imXr7DyY-sM
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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2011, 12:37:31 AM »
I think Susan and Heather will be asleep so I will try to help. I have attached your file explaining the steps and stages I would use. I am sure the ladies will correct me if there is a better way than what I have described.

As your car body is already an object and is no longer a line anymore I have given different instructions to Susan and Heather. If you download the attached file I have explained each stage.

The video link you attached is one I made a long time ago and I find it is the harder way to create many designs. I made a new video last week - rhinestone designs using Scatter and I think you will find it so much easier. http://www.inkscapecuttingdesign.com/smf/index.php?topic=403.0 Don't you have SCAL? The latest version has an inbuilt rhinestone feature and will be easier again.

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Re: 2 ?s Line thickness and a weird shape in design
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2011, 09:11:25 AM »
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I think Susan and Heather will be asleep so I will try to help. I have attached your file explaining the steps and stages I would use. I am sure the ladies will correct me if there is a better way than what I have described.

As your car body is already an object and is no longer a line anymore I have given different instructions to Susan and Heather. If you download the attached file I have explained each stage.

The video link you attached is one I made a long time ago and I find it is the harder way to create many designs. I made a new video last week - rhinestone designs using Scatter and I think you will find it so much easier.  Don't you have SCAL? The latest version has an inbuilt rhinestone feature and will be easier again.

Carolyn,
I do have SCAL, but SCAL1.  Besides, I do most of my work in Inkscape.  I will download your file and see what else I can learn.  Thanks for your help!
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