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Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« on: July 11, 2012, 04:41:01 PM »
Hi!
Help! I have watched Carolyn's videos about creating nested shapes using tiled clones many times back to back, completely duplicating her settings (hitting reset between tries), and absolutely nothing happens.  My starting shape is an svg.  Just for grins I converted it to path.  My Fill is set to X so that I don't miss anything that may have nested underneath.  Simply nothing happening.
Any ideas of reasons why this might be happening?  I sure would appreciate any input!
Thank you in advance!
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 10:06:19 AM »
Wanda, sorry about that.  I know Carolyn has internet problems sometimes but I'm sure she will show up soon.  

Can you describe "nothing happens"  do you mean you never get your object to create another object?  What are you using for a shape?  flower, circle, etc.  if you want to post the svg I'll see if I can make it work using Carolyns tutorial.

Is this the video you were working from?

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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 05:29:20 PM »
Hi Wanda, As Susan said I am often missing due to internet issues. It has been a nightmare this month.

To help you better I will now ask a few questions. What version of Inkscape are you using? I did use 0.47 and often things work a bit differently in 0.48 depending on the method used.

Also which video did you watch as I think I have about 4 of them showing different methods. I have a few different ones showing how to use tiled clones to created nested shapes.

As Susan already mentioned, if you can post the file we can have a look and give better advice.
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 04:04:27 AM »
Hi, Ladies!
Thank you so much for your help!  First, I am using Inkscape .48.
Secondly, to answer Sue's question - yes, that is what I mean.  I can not seem to achieve the tiled clones.  I tried 10 clones, which was in Carolyn's video.  Next, I tried 5, just to see if I got any different results.  Nothing.
Although I have watched both the 'no fill' and the 'fill' videos, the one I was trying to duplicate is the first 'no fill' one.  My ultimate goal in this, aside from being able to create my own nesties ( :D I love nesties), is to be able to create a cuttable shadow layer for my svg's.

I can't tell you how much hope Carolyn's videos give me for being able to do this!  I have been messing around trying to make the shadow layer by enlarging a duplicate copy of the image, but you both can imagine where that got me!

For my test image, I had picked out an svg of a stem with leaves on it, as I knew I wanted to try this on something that was not symetrical.  I can make a symetrical shadow layer by enlarging a duplicate.  I have attached the file for your information.    :)  [/img]

Any assistance with this would be very much appreciated.  Thank you both so much!!!
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2012, 08:16:06 AM »
Good Morning all!

Wanda, loved the idea of a leaf so since I was trying the tiled clones anyway I thought I'd use one.

It worked so well.

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Now to your problem.  MY most common mistake in doing this is forgetting to UNSET the file.  Just no fill doesn't work.  If your initial design is not "black" which happens to a colored image when you UNSET that would cause nothing to happen.

Now I've tried your file I separated out the lilly stalk, (lots of groups) and copy/pasted it into a new file and tried it, I got NOTHING.  Not really sure why so maybe Carolyn can play with it.  I'll keep trying.
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2012, 07:28:30 PM »
Okay, in your case I think you can ignore the video. The video was created for people who like nested shapes in a series of different colours. In your case a colour change is not important.
You can clone groups, so in your case I will show an easier method.
- Open Tiled Clones
- Symmetry select P1:Simple Translation.
- Rows set at 1 and Columns set at the number of clones you wish to create.
- Scale Tab- shown below. Note, your % setting may be different. The % relates to the size of the original object and can be changed to suit the graduations you wish to create. Experiment with different numbers but remember to change both numbers or the shape will not remain uniform.

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As you can see you now have a series of cloned shapes in different sizes. It is a few less steps to have the graduated clones side by side than to create them already nested.

Also, I noticed you said your ultimate goal is to create shadow layers for your files. There are other methods and you may find them easier to create the shadow layer. We all tend to have our favourite methods and no one way is better than the other. I will give you the links and you can experiment and find the method that best suits your style.

Here is a tutorial showing how to create a shadow mat if it is essential to keep square corners http://www.inkscapecuttingdesign.com/smf/index.php?topic=888.0
Here is a tutorial showing how to use Offset which is very fast but tends to round corners. Many designs like your lilly consist of rounded shapes so this method is very easy. http://www.inkscapecuttingdesign.com/smf/index.php?topic=154.0

Thanks for giving me an idea for a new tutorial.
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2012, 05:13:11 AM »
Carolyn,
For some reason it is still not working on the lily.  I followed your instructions to the letter but didn't get any clones.  However, I did try the same instructions on a basic star shape and on a Forget Me Not svg and it worked perfectly.  See attached.

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So, I am thinking that it has something to do with my lily file.  It is an .svg, same as the Forget Me Not but is there anything else that I need to make the file cloneable? 
This particular lily is of no real importance, just a flower that I picked out to be my guinea pig.  However, I would like to be able to rectify this issue if it comes up in the future.
Any thoughts?
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2012, 05:33:46 AM »
Strange, as your lily file worked for me. There is one thing you could try. Select all, ungroup then while all parts are selected click on the open padlock to unlink clones.

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I've made this error many times when experimenting with tiled clones. If you do not delete the original or unlink, the remaining clones will not allow you to do anything. It may be worth a try. If it fails we will all have to think of another reason why it will not work.
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2012, 09:08:59 AM »
Wanda, I'm almost 99% positive that it is that particular file.  I've done almost everything I can think of and it won't work.  I've copy/pasted into a new file and it still doesn't work. Yet I can start with another image of a stalk and get it to work.

What you might do is go back to where you got the image in the first place and start over.  Don't group anything if you can avoid it and for sure avoid using filters as I've had problems with them trying to get rid of them.

I have to ask why you wanted to use tiled clones in the first place for this type of file, just curious and always looking for tricks to create things differently.

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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2012, 01:30:28 PM »
Hi, Ladies!  I think I have made some sort of discovery, but I don't know what exactly it is.  I originally got my Lily of the Valley from a very talented designer named Lisa from Quilling Patch.  To test my file, I went back to her website, re-downloaded the file, and tried to create tiled clones from it again.  Nothing.
However, in the process, I realized that as I was importing the svg, I could not see the image thumbnail in the "select file to import" window. 

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That got me to thinking.
So, I went back in and tried to import the Forget Me Not which I was able to clone, and sure enough - I can see the image in the thumbnail.

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To Test those results, I imported two more svg's.  One of which showed the image in the thumbnail, and one which didn't.  The results were the same - the one whose image didn't show up in the thumbnail would not clone, and the one whose image did show up in the thumbnail did clone.

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I was able to see the tulip image on the thumbnail and it cloned

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I was not able to see the nasturtium image on the thumbnail and it did not clone.

So - I have these results but do not know what to make of them.  Evidently some sort of difference in the files.  They are all SVG's, but that is all I know.
Do you ladies know what to make of this?
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2012, 01:58:48 PM »
Sue,
To answer your question:  I found Carolyn's videos on Creating Tiled Clones after doing a search on 'Nested Shapes in Inkscape'.  I had been racking my brain for the proper search terms in order to find the answers that I needed.  The issue I was having is that I wanted to learn how to make the bottom layer of an svg that I could cut on my Cricut - such as a 'shadow layer' that I once would have cut from one of their cartridges.  
I had previously tried to simply duplicate the image and enlarge the duplicate to make the shadow layer.  This worked perfectly - for perfectly symmetrical images such as a circle or oval.  However, on non-symmetrical images, there is major distortion.  This is why I had the idea to use the Lily stem on the tiled clones experiment.  
Due to it's shape, this is not an image that can be duplicated and enlarged to form a shadow layer.

During my learning curve, I have many more questions than I have answers, but I love finding the answers as it puts me one step further toward getting good at it.  I feel like I am obsessed with Inkscape and svg's and I Thank God for ladies like yourself and Carolyn who are dedicated to helping people like me to muddle through.
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 04:40:45 PM »
Wanda, I afraid that was what you wanted and we've been chasing you around.  Have you see/used  path/outset?  Take your image and make a duplicate of it move it aside.  Then do Path/outset on the duplicate.  That will give you the mat slightly larger than the original but may have any "cutout" pieces showing.

Now if there are cut out pieces showing, select all and do "break apart" so that all those little pieces are separated,  now select all and do Path/Union which should take care of them all, and viola you have the mat.  Sometime you still have to delete some nodes on the inside of the mat image.

Give it a go and let me know how you do ;)

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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2012, 06:52:58 PM »
I will definitely try this tomorrow and let you know how it goes!  I am so glad that I started this post!  Even if there is an easier way to make a shadow layer, finding Carolyn's tutorials on tiled clones made my month.   You see, another one of my goals has been to make my own nesties, like Penny does!!  Woohoo!   I never would have guessed it could be that simple.  

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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2012, 11:35:08 AM »
Okay - Path/Outset worked like a charm!  Gave me the cutting shadow that I was looking for on the lily stem.

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This whole entire post has been so enlightening!  By looking for solutions to one issue, I found solutions to issues that I didn't even know I had - yet!
Ladies, you are the BEST!!  Thank you SO much for your patience and your wealth of knowledge!!!
Wanda
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Re: Creating Nested Shapes using Create Tiled Clones
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2012, 04:53:22 PM »
Quote from: "Henweigh"
This whole entire post has been so enlightening!  By looking for solutions to one issue, I found solutions to issues that I didn't even know I had - yet!
Wanda

LOL good to hear you found an answer before you encountered a problem.

Great to hear you have found an easy way to create your own shadow mats. Isn't Inkscape fun once you start learning 'how to' do things?
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